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This year is set to be the last Agicultural Workers Order as the Board is abolished to cut Red Tape (to be replaced by Bullshit). Although it is bad news for farmworkers, it is good news for F2Fers when it comes to the viability test as they will then have to rely on the NMW. Yes every cloud has a silver lining.
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Agricultural Wages
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, 18 Sep 2011 12:07
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Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:07
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:17
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I hope your right Che. I would be a bit concerned that planners might try and introduce some other kind of formula though based on what I don't know.
Just looking over the pages at direct.gov regarding National Minimum Wage ( NMW ) I note that self employed and directors (along with prisoners amongst others,,, nice grouping !!!) are not entitled to be paid the NMW. As most of us would fall into self-employed or director status, what legal terms can we use to justify earnings?
My first view would be to take NMW which will be £6.08 per hr (as from 1sr Oct 2011) and use a 35 hr week to determine an annual wage. This would equate to about £213 a week or about £11,000 per annum (sry, no calulator to hand ). Even at 40hrs per week this only equates to around £12500 p.a. which is basically the same as a Grade 1 agricultural worker earnings as set out by the Agricultural Workers Board.
Maybe then there is little difference to our situation other than there is no defined wage structure for farm mangers or skilled farm workers as there is now. But does this start to allow planners to start using national averages for farm pay. We know they would likely distort those figures or use spurious information in setting a higher than is realistice figure.
It could all get a bit messy for a while but then again, when things are messy, planners tend to be at a disadvantage as they themselves are not fully informed of the true facts and that is where we can have the advantage in providing our own well proven figures.
Looks like we will be treading new ground.
Just looking over the pages at direct.gov regarding National Minimum Wage ( NMW ) I note that self employed and directors (along with prisoners amongst others,,, nice grouping !!!) are not entitled to be paid the NMW. As most of us would fall into self-employed or director status, what legal terms can we use to justify earnings?
My first view would be to take NMW which will be £6.08 per hr (as from 1sr Oct 2011) and use a 35 hr week to determine an annual wage. This would equate to about £213 a week or about £11,000 per annum (sry, no calulator to hand ). Even at 40hrs per week this only equates to around £12500 p.a. which is basically the same as a Grade 1 agricultural worker earnings as set out by the Agricultural Workers Board.
Maybe then there is little difference to our situation other than there is no defined wage structure for farm mangers or skilled farm workers as there is now. But does this start to allow planners to start using national averages for farm pay. We know they would likely distort those figures or use spurious information in setting a higher than is realistice figure.
It could all get a bit messy for a while but then again, when things are messy, planners tend to be at a disadvantage as they themselves are not fully informed of the true facts and that is where we can have the advantage in providing our own well proven figures.
Looks like we will be treading new ground.
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Posted 19 September 2011 - 01:26
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Oh, and as I think I've made a point of before, there is no set definition of a full time worker except I have just spotted this at ( Full Time Work ) which states -
What is a part-time worker?
A part-time worker is someone who works fewer hours than a full-time worker. There is no specific number of hours that makes someone full or part-time, but a full-time worker will usually work 35 hours or more a week.
What is a part-time worker?
A part-time worker is someone who works fewer hours than a full-time worker. There is no specific number of hours that makes someone full or part-time, but a full-time worker will usually work 35 hours or more a week.
