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If you have your mobile, then gain permission for a permanent dwelling, is it permissible to build around the mobile and include it in the house?
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Mobile to house
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bodger
, 18 Apr 2012 23:19
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 12:04
barbararob
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I had wondered the same thing, if you spend a tidy sum on a log cabin, could it be incorporated in part of the perm build, I suppose you'd have to submit plans.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 17:07
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To be honest a mobile home does not come up to building regs so you would have to modify and at a cost. However log cabins can be lived in as permanent dwellings the same as a Park Home. It will depend what you are after when you get to the stage of permanence and the acceptance of the local council etc.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 19:48
bodger
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Further to my original question.
We are building our own wooden mobile home to new-build house specs. However, it will be sitting on a low concrete block wall. Would it not be possible to, at a later date when full permission is granted, to sink footings around the timber exterior, build an external wall from that and incorporate the roof, windows, doors,etc? Obviously such a design would need to be incorporated into any application, but where could it fall foul of building regs?
We are building our own wooden mobile home to new-build house specs. However, it will be sitting on a low concrete block wall. Would it not be possible to, at a later date when full permission is granted, to sink footings around the timber exterior, build an external wall from that and incorporate the roof, windows, doors,etc? Obviously such a design would need to be incorporated into any application, but where could it fall foul of building regs?
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 23:42
KChally
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I hope you are building your wooden mobile home so that it can be transported in 2 pieces? as per the regs. Do you have temp permission?
KChally
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 17:18
bodger
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We have temporary permission for a 40x20 timber mobile home. We are constructing it effectively in two halves as we don't want to get caught out by not following the regs, as so many log cabin people do.
The self build is purely to save money, but is still costing a good deal. This is why I want to know if I could include this construction in any future permanent build and, if so, what should be catered for now to save future problems. Practically, it is quite simple to tie a permanent exterior to this construction, but that does not always mean that the buildings regs bods will be happy.
The self build is purely to save money, but is still costing a good deal. This is why I want to know if I could include this construction in any future permanent build and, if so, what should be catered for now to save future problems. Practically, it is quite simple to tie a permanent exterior to this construction, but that does not always mean that the buildings regs bods will be happy.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 20:19
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As we know of a site which is now full of log cabins, all of which are capable of being classed as 'mobile' and other sites which have nothing but Park Homes on them which incidentally also fulfill the requirements of being classed as 'mobile' and therefore 'temporary', we do not see your problem. These Park Homes and other similar homes (such as log cabins) are on permanent sites and are mortgageable and also marketable. We could buy one down the road - it is a permanent residence but could fulfill the specifications to be classed as mobile.
You have not stated any conditions regarding your 'temp' - nor have you given us precise details of your temp pp - but we would have thought that if you fulfilled your side of the 'contract/bargain' made between yourselves and your council when you applied for and they granted the temp pp, then we do not understand why the council would not allow you to change the classification of your home from 'temp' to 'permanent' without your having doing anything more to it.
You have not stated any conditions regarding your 'temp' - nor have you given us precise details of your temp pp - but we would have thought that if you fulfilled your side of the 'contract/bargain' made between yourselves and your council when you applied for and they granted the temp pp, then we do not understand why the council would not allow you to change the classification of your home from 'temp' to 'permanent' without your having doing anything more to it.
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 14:53
bodger
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This is the most sensible suggestion that I have heard so far. We can build the MH properly, without the concern, hopefully, that it would need to be removed prior to building a permanent replacement. we intend to stay here to the end, so the lower value of a MH permanently on site compared to a house is not a problem.
I think that I might just have a chat with my local councillor/planner to see that there would be no problems.
Thank you.
I think that I might just have a chat with my local councillor/planner to see that there would be no problems.
Thank you.
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Posted 21 May 2012 - 20:54
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We have temporary permission for a 40x20 timber mobile home. We are constructing it effectively in two halves as we don't want to get caught out by not following the regs, as so many log cabin people do.
The self build is purely to save money, but is still costing a good deal. This is why I want to know if I could include this construction in any future permanent build and, if so, what should be catered for now to save future problems. Practically, it is quite simple to tie a permanent exterior to this construction, but that does not always mean that the buildings regs bods will be happy.
I know for it to be classed as a mobile home it has to be in 2 halfs or parts, does that include the roof? or can the roof be put on seperatly? Ive never seen a 2 part mobile home on the motorway with half the title roof on...surely the tiles would be ripped off??
Im only saying this as I am thinking about building a 2 part mobile home out of 2 shipping containers but I am stuck with the flat roof, unless I am allowed to put a pitched roof on top after ive bolted the two units together.
Anyone know?
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Posted 22 May 2012 - 13:01
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I know for it to be classed as a mobile home it has to be in 2 halfs or parts, does that include the roof? or can the roof be put on seperatly? Ive never seen a 2 part mobile home on the motorway with half the title roof on...surely the tiles would be ripped off??
Im only saying this as I am thinking about building a 2 part mobile home out of 2 shipping containers but I am stuck with the flat roof, unless I am allowed to put a pitched roof on top after ive bolted the two units together.
Anyone know?
Got to be able to unbolt it and be moveable by road. So unless you make the roof in 2 halves you will fail the test.
As for the roof tiles, alot of homes have steel sheet tiling that is firmly fixed and is not like concrete interlocking tiles that would fall off as you drive down the road!!
Be careful with the shipping container idea. They dont usually make good conversions as you will have a problem with there thermal properties even insulated. You have a large heat sink structure that is hard to heat in the winter and cool in the summer!!!
Please have a look at our website to see if we have anything that suits your plans!!
Shaun
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:53
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Hi.We have someone coming round soon to do a COUNCIL TAX valuation on our twin unit.I have been told previously we are a band A at £1000 per year. I suspect we should answer as few questions as possible? what says you.
Many thanks.
Sodbuster
Many thanks.
Sodbuster
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 15:52
Groundhog
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Dont pay council tax on it till you get a temp dwelling as you are not living there
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 16:26
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Sorry GH do not agree with statement as to paying Council Tax. If you read KChally's experience with Council Tax it is better to pay than to be hit later. Council Tax is due on all dwellings even if they are not the main residence.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 20:35
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Dont need to appolgise my point is that it is not a dwelling until agreed it is a temp dwelling otherwise it is a stockmans hut or a caravan used whilst constructing a barn or engineering works.When they built the hindhead tunnel there were dozens of caravans on site did they pay council tax on them ? What is the legal situation I am only passing an opinion
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 20:50
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Ah! But! Surely they had another residence on which they paid rates? Unless, of course, they were travellers.
We can see where you are coming from. but we would again remind everyone that KChally moved a mobile home onto their site and then much later applied for temp permission - only to find that the council wanted them to pay a whole heap of backdated rates.
We can see where you are coming from. but we would again remind everyone that KChally moved a mobile home onto their site and then much later applied for temp permission - only to find that the council wanted them to pay a whole heap of backdated rates.
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Posted 24 May 2012 - 09:06
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i agree with groundhog. unless it is classed as a dwelling, council tax does not apply.
whilst you are doing building and engineering works you are 'staying' on the land.
whilst you are doing building and engineering works you are 'staying' on the land.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 20:34
Romany
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I agree with GH and Boiow. I read something (probably a link given on one of the earlier posts on the forum) that stated categorically that if you are living/staying in a mobile structure whilst carrying out engineering works you do not need to pay council tax. I think it was on a government site. I'll try and find it again and post on here. Maybe KChally will be able to reclaim monies paid.
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